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U.S. Constitution: Second Amendment

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Re: U.S. Constitution: Second Amendment

Postby CrazyCatman on Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:41 pm

Hobilar wrote:Unbelievable...I can't imagine any sane person would actually believe that killing a fellow human is the same as going out into the woods with a machine-gun to kill Bugs Bunny or Bambi's mother.

What? Never heard of a "manhunt"? Osama Bin Laden has been hunted for quite a while now (but he seems to be an elusive little devil). Obviously you have never watched "The Most Dangerous Game" or "Surviving the Game". The premise of both is that hunters have grown tired of non-thinking, predictable, prey and decided that other people would make better prey.

Now, as for my comment that brought this wonderful reply. Hunting is The activity or sport of pursuing game. Now, I know it may be a little strange to think of it in this way, but, if you are going to kill someone, you typically want to do it in the way that basically guarantees their death which typically means it is a fairly decent surprise (typically you don't tell them, "I'm going to kill you in 2 weeks"), and, if it isn't, they typically don't go down without at least attempting not to.

Hobilar wrote:Is clinging to an obsolete piece of eighteenth centrury legislation more important to you than the cost of one child's life?

I wonder if you might change your mind if someone broke into your house with a gun (they are breaking the law anyway, why not add a gun to it?) and killed your wife/child/grandchild/ect and because you followed the law you couldn't do anything about it...
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Re: U.S. Constitution: Second Amendment

Postby Luther Sloan on Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:25 pm

This being about the future of gun control I'm surprised this little fact has been forgotten...

On June 26, 2008, the Supreme Court of the United States held in District of Columbia v. Heller that the city's 1976 handgun ban violates the Second Amendment right to gun ownership. Seems to me that if anything the courts AGREE with the Second Amendment.
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Re: U.S. Constitution: Second Amendment

Postby General Forestry on Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:02 pm

Crazy...I'm gonna have to lay down the law here... :mp:

CrazyCatman wrote:What? Never heard of a "manhunt"? Osama Bin Laden has been hunted for quite a while now (but he seems to be an elusive little devil). Obviously you have never watched "The Most Dangerous Game" or "Surviving the Game". The premise of both is that hunters have grown tired of non-thinking, predictable, prey and decided that other people would make better prey.

Now, as for my comment that brought this wonderful reply. Hunting is The activity or sport of pursuing game. Now, I know it may be a little strange to think of it in this way, but, if you are going to kill someone, you typically want to do it in the way that basically guarantees their death which typically means it is a fairly decent surprise (typically you don't tell them, "I'm going to kill you in 2 weeks"), and, if it isn't, they typically don't go down without at least attempting not to.

I wonder if you might change your mind if someone broke into your house with a gun (they are breaking the law anyway, why not add a gun to it?) and killed your wife/child/grandchild/ect and because you followed the law you couldn't do anything about it...


There was no need to bring in the idea of human hunting. It is highly immoral, and I'm sure anyone who would be reading this site from "outside" the forum who may have been victim to something similar may take offense to what you said. So, in the future please try to refrain from mentioning things like this.

And as for the last portion of your post, even mentioning the idea of someone being put in that situation is outrageous. No one should ever have to think about that, and no one should ever have to experience losing their loved ones, or even losing them when they have been invaded.

We should all go back and read KT's topic starter. I'm pretty sure he told everyone to be civil...could be wrong, but I have a pretty good memory also.

Please continue with discussion.
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Re: U.S. Constitution: Second Amendment

Postby KnightTemplar on Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:39 pm

General Forestry wrote:Crazy...I'm gonna have to lay down the law here... :mp:

Yes, as do I.
If you remember there was a little qualifier added at the end of the actual topic in my first post. If you have forgotten, I've reposted here...
KnightTemplar wrote:Feel free to discuss, but stay civil as this tends to be a rather touchy subject.

If this thread gets out of hand again I will be forced to close it.
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Re: U.S. Constitution: Second Amendment

Postby CrazyCatman on Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:06 pm

Ok, I get it. Yes, I went overboard, though I do take exception to several of General Forestry's points.
General Forestry wrote:There was no need to bring in the idea of human hunting.

AP brought up that everything was either hunting or killing people, I just pointed out that it can be considered one category. It is brought up in movies, TV, Comics, ect. Here is a list if you would like (From Wikipedia)

Film adaptations
The Most Dangerous Game (1932)
A Game of Death (1945)
The Dangerous Game (1953)
Run for the Sun (1956)
Bloodlust! (1961)
The Woman Hunt (1973)
Mottomo kiken na yuugi (1978)
Slave Girls from Beyond Infinity (1987)
Deadly Prey (1988)
Lethal Woman (1988)
Surviving the Game (1994)
The Pest (1997)
Taxidermy (TBA)

Works with a similar plot
Films:
Hard Target
Gymkata,
The Beast Must Die. A deadly game to reveal and destroy a Werewolf hidden amongst trapped mansion guests
The Pest. a comical story that has the a similar concept but strays from any half-realism
Predator and Predator 2, which featured alien hunters hunting down humans, most specifically Arnold Schwarzeneger and Danny Glover; these aliens make a reappearance in the films Alien vs. Predator and Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem.
The 1974 James Bond 007 film The Man with the Golden Gun, where villain Scaramanga 'hunts' Bond.
The 1983 James Bond 007 film Octopussy, where villain Kamal Khan 'hunts' Bond.
Jumanji where Robin Williams was hunted by Hunter Van Pelt from the game. Also appears in the cartoon series.
Television:
the Star Trek episode "The Squire of Gothos"
the Star Trek: Voyager enemies Hirogen, particularly the episode The Killing Game
the Star Trek: Deep Space Nine episode "Captive Pursuit"
the The Outer Limits episode "The Hunt", which had humans hunting androids that looked indistinguishable from humans.
the Buffy the Vampire Slayer episode "Homecoming"
the The Simpsons episode "Treehouse of Horror XVI"
the American Dad! episode "The Vacation Goo".
the Gilligan's Island episode "The Hunter"
the Fantasy Island original pilot episode
the Johnny Quest episode "Shadow of the Condor"
the Get Smart episode "Island of the Darned"
the Johnny Bravo episode "Hunted!"
the Dexter's Laboratory episode "Dial M for Monkey: Huntor"
the Kids Next Door episode "S.A.F.A.R.I"
the Incredible Hulk 3rd season episode "The Snare"
the Criminal Minds episode "Open Season"
the Supernatural episode "The Benders"
the Relic Hunter episode "Run Sydney Run"
the Lost in Space episode "Hunter's Moon"
the Dark Angel episode "Pollo Loco"
the Forever Knight episode "Hunted"
the Danny Phantom episode "Life Lessons"
Bet Your Life (TV movie)
"The Most Dangerous Duck Hunt", Disney's animated Mighty Ducks. While Mallory, Nosedive, and Grin keep an eye on The Pond and Draganaus, Wildwing, Tanya, and Duke face off against Baron von Lichtenstamp and his mechanical animals.
the Dollhouse episode "Target"
Video Games
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion quest "Caught in the Hunt"
Comics:
The Spider-Man villain Kraven the Hunter (Sergi Kravenoff) was inspired by Zaroff.
The tagline of DC Comics' Manhunter title was "He hunts the world's most dangerous game".
The second issue of EC's The Vault of Horror comic book features a similar story called Island Of Death.


General Forestry wrote:anyone who would be reading this site from "outside" the forum who may have been victim to something similar may take offense to what you said.

Funny, I thought this was a forum about the military, which is basically legalized people killing people. AND, the title of this thread is "U.S. Constitution: Second Amendment" which is all about the right to bear arms, people killing other people is bound to come up. That would be like someone who had a family member killed by a tree falling on them going to a forestry website and getting offended when they run across a section talking about logging accidents.

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General Forestry wrote:And as for the last portion of your post, even mentioning the idea of someone being put in that situation is outrageous. No one should ever have to think about that, and no one should ever have to experience losing their loved ones, or even losing them when they have been invaded.

And we shouldn't ever have to think about soldiers going to war and not coming back. Maybe that is why "the West" will never win another war, people die in war, but apparently no one knows that. Shit happens, quit hiding in a bubble.
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Re: U.S. Constitution: Second Amendment

Postby Hobilar on Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:51 am

Lets not get too 'over the top' here.

This thread (as far as I am concerned) is merely a Debate. We can't really do much to change things anyway (that is what Politicians are paid to do).

Like all good debates, there is no Right or Wrong solution. What matters at the end of the day is who presents the best argument in support of their case. That is what people will ultimately be asked to vote on.

Agree?
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Re: U.S. Constitution: Second Amendment

Postby KnightTemplar on Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:13 am

Hobilar wrote:Lets not get too 'over the top' here.

This thread (as far as I am concerned) is merely a Debate. We can't really do much to change things anyway (that is what Politicians are paid to do).

Like all good debates, there is no Right or Wrong solution. What matters at the end of the day is who presents the best argument in support of their case. That is what people will ultimately be asked to vote on.

Agree?

I agree completely. :bravo:


As I stated, I know this can get rather heated, so, if you get upset when reading a comment made by another member, take a break and calm down before replying.
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Re: U.S. Constitution: Second Amendment

Postby AmericanPride on Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:30 pm

You are absolutely right with your statement Hobilar.

Hobilar wrote:Lets not get too 'over the top' here.

This thread (as far as I am concerned) is merely a Debate. We can't really do much to change things anyway (that is what Politicians are paid to do).

Like all good debates, there is no Right or Wrong solution. What matters at the end of the day is who presents the best argument in support of their case. That is what people will ultimately be asked to vote on.

Agree?


I feel that sometimes on this site we all tend to get carried away and forget that it is all in good fun or either we just love chastising each other :D

Can't we all just get along and have a big group hug?

I'll bring the clay pigeons and shot guns lol
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