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Hobilar · by **Hobilar** on Mon May 05, 2008 4:53 am

Section 38 of the US visa form asks:

Do you seek to enter the United States to engage in export control violations, subversive or terrorist activities, or any other unlawful purpose? Are you a member or representative of a terrorist organization as currently designated by the U.S. Secretary of State? Have you ever participated in persecution directed by the Nazi government of Germany; or have tou ever participated in genocide? (Tick YES or NO).

Oh Sure!....You are certainly going to reply in the affirmative if you are a real terrorist, aren't you?

SizarieldoR · by **SizarieldoR** on Mon May 05, 2008 12:53 pm

Curious. There's no SUCH faith in rules and regulations in the former Warsaw Pact states (such as BG)...

Hobilar · by **Hobilar** on Mon May 05, 2008 3:19 pm

SizarieldoR wrote:Curious. There's no SUCH faith in rules and regulations in the former Warsaw Pact states (such as BG)...

BG???

CrazyCatman · by **CrazyCatman** on Mon May 05, 2008 3:21 pm

Hobilar wrote:
SizarieldoR wrote:Curious. There's no SUCH faith in rules and regulations in the former Warsaw Pact states (such as BG)...

BG???

Bulgaria?

Maximus the Destroyer · by **Maximus the Destroyer** on Mon May 05, 2008 6:02 pm

Yeah, does seem like a rather stupid question to be asking doesn't it? I would like to see if there was ever actually anyone who did check yes though...

General Forestry · by **General Forestry** on Mon May 05, 2008 7:31 pm

What would happen if someone was actually dumb enough to answer 'yes'? Would they just be shoed away, or slapped in handcuffs and thrown in a detention center until further questioning?

Maximus the Destroyer · by **Maximus the Destroyer** on Tue May 06, 2008 1:33 pm

Forestry_manDCNR07 wrote:What would happen if someone was actually dumb enough to answer 'yes'? Would they just be shoed away, or slapped in handcuffs and thrown in a detention center until further questioning?

Well, having not actually filled out a Visa request form or even seen one I don't know all the details. I would assume though that there is some sort of statement saying that the answer to the questions wouldn't cause you legal trouble (much like some of the other forms here in the U.S. which state that answering yes does not). Also, depending on the country, some groups considered "terrorist" groups by the U.S. may not be by the country of origin and thus being as they are still under the other country's law the U.S. would have no authority to arrest them.

KnightTemplar · by **KnightTemplar** on Tue May 06, 2008 9:59 pm

Maximus the Destroyer wrote:
Forestry_manDCNR07 wrote:What would happen if someone was actually dumb enough to answer 'yes'? Would they just be shoed away, or slapped in handcuffs and thrown in a detention center until further questioning?

Well, having not actually filled out a Visa request form or even seen one I don't know all the details. I would assume though that there is some sort of statement saying that the answer to the questions wouldn't cause you legal trouble (much like some of the other forms here in the U.S. which state that answering yes does not). Also, depending on the country, some groups considered "terrorist" groups by the U.S. may not be by the country of origin and thus being as they are still under the other country's law the U.S. would have no authority to arrest them.

I think you may be right about that, but it still begs the question, Has anyone ever been stupid enough to actually say yes?

SizarieldoR · by **SizarieldoR** on Wed May 07, 2008 8:38 am

CrazyCatman wrote:
Hobilar wrote:
SizarieldoR wrote:Curious. There's no SUCH faith in rules and regulations in the former Warsaw Pact states (such as BG)...

BG???

Bulgaria?

Mhm. Here in BG we usually abbreviate the counry's name to that, since in Europe geographical discussions are more often with all the countries. Srangely, other countries are referred to with their full names.

General Forestry · by **General Forestry** on Wed May 07, 2008 6:12 pm

On my job application form it says something like, "If you answer 'yes' to using drugs or being arrested for using drugs you will not be discriminated.' Which in my opinion is rediculous. But I would think that there would have to be some consequences to answering 'yes' to a question which is asking you if you are a terrorist! Especially when this country is so anal and stupid when it comes to border control. 'Hello sir, welcome to J.F.K airport! But I'm really sorry we cant accept you because of you being from Saudi Arabia.' Meanwhile down in Texas everyone is jumping the border and we are doing nothing about it. Each and every person crossing the border could be considered a real threat and WE ARENT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT!!! So, in conclusion, maybe the whole application should be revised...and the political correctness has to end too in America.

Luther Sloan · by **Luther Sloan** on Fri May 16, 2008 10:00 pm

38. IMPORTANT: ALL APPLICANTS MUST READ AND CHECK THE APPROPRIATE BOX FOR EACH ITEM.
A visa may not be issued to persons who are within specific categories defined by law as inadmissible to the United States (except when a waiver is obtained in advance). Is any of the following applicable to you?

* Have you ever been arrested or convicted for any offense or crime, even though subject of a pardon, amnesty or other similar legal action? Have you ever unlawfully distributed or sold a controlled substance(drug), or been a prostitute or procurer for prostitutes?

Yes No

* Have you ever been refused admission to the U.S., or been the subject of a deportation hearing or sought to obtain or assist others to obtain a visa, entry into the U.S., or any other U.S. immigration benefit by fraud or willful misrepresentation or other unlawful means? Have you attended a U.S. public elementary school on student (F) status or a public secondary school after November 30, 1996 without reimbursing the school?

Yes No

* Do you seek to enter the United States to engage in export control violations, subversive or terrorist activities, or any other unlawful purpose? Are you a member or representative of a terrorist organization as currently designated by the U.S. Secretary of State? Have you ever participated in persecutions directed by the Nazi government of Germany; or have you ever participated in genocide?

Yes No

* Have you ever violated the terms of a U.S. visa, or been unlawfully present in, or deported from, the United States?

Yes No

* Have you ever withheld custody of a U.S. citizen child outside the United States from a person granted legal custody by a U.S. court, voted in the United States in violation of any law or regulation, or renounced U.S. citizenship for the purpose of avoiding taxation?

Yes No

* Have you ever been afflicted with a communicable disease of public health significance or a dangerous physical or mental disorder, or ever been a drug abuser or addict?

Yes No
While a YES answer does not automatically signify ineligibility for a visa, if you answered YES you may be required to personally appear before a consular officer.

Goliath · by **Goliath** on Mon May 19, 2008 4:38 pm

Luther Sloan wrote:
* Do you seek to enter the United States to engage in export control violations, subversive or terrorist activities, or any other unlawful purpose? Are you a member or representative of a terrorist organization as currently designated by the U.S. Secretary of State? Have you ever participated in persecutions directed by the Nazi government of Germany; or have you ever participated in genocide?

Yes No

So does that mean that the present Pope would have to check yes?

Hobilar · by **Hobilar** on Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:43 am

Returning to this thread.

Did anyone read the story in the press recently that President Obama’s own brother has been refused an entry visa to the United Kingdom (Because of an earlier arrest for a suspected criminal offence)? Odd that the same immigration authorities were quite willing to issue an entry visa and work permit to US rapper ‘Coolio’ (Artis Leon Ivey, Jr.), a man who openly brags about having served time in prison in the US for gun related offences, so that he could appear on a popular TV reality show.

The recent arrest of eleven Pakistani ‘students’ in England as suspected plotters to commit terrorist acts within the UK must surely show just how much of a lottery the immigration checks have become.

Any thoughts?

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