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Iran, China exploit U.S. military surplus

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Iran, China exploit U.S. military surplus

Postby CrazyCatman on Sat May 10, 2008 1:23 pm

The U.S. military has sold forbidden equipment at least a half-dozen times to middlemen for countries -- including Iran and China -- who exploited security flaws in the Defense Department's surplus auctions.

The sales include fighter jet parts and missile components.

State Metal Industries, a Camden, New Jersey, company convicted in June of violating export laws over a shipment of AIM-7 Sparrow missile guidance parts it bought from Pentagon surplus in 2003 and sold to an entity partly owned by the Chinese government. The company pleaded guilty to an export violation, was fined $250,000 and placed on probation for three years. Customs and Border Protection inspectors seized the parts -- nearly 200 pieces of the guidance system for the Sparrow missile system -- while inspecting cargo at a New Jersey port.

A California company, All Ports, shipped hundreds of containers of U.S. military technology to China between 1994 and 1999, much of it acquired in Pentagon surplus sales, court documents show. Customs agents discovered the sales in May 1999 when All Ports tried to ship to China components for guided missiles, bombs, the B-1 bomber and underwater mines. The company and its owners were convicted in 2000; an appeals court upheld the conviction in 2002.


Read the full story at CNN.com.


What do you think of this? How can the U.S. prevent this in the future?
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Postby Maximus the Destroyer on Sat May 10, 2008 1:24 pm

It pains me to say it, but this will never stop. For years, the Chinese government has been suspected (and sometimes confirmed) of stealing U.S. weapons, weapon blueprints and weapon components. Guidance components for missiles have been extremely popular, the Maverick components were compromised not even a year after initial production.
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Postby General Forestry on Sun May 11, 2008 4:57 pm

This wouldnt happen to be the same company that 'accidentally' shipped 4 nulear detonators to a foreign country recently are they??
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Postby SizarieldoR on Mon May 12, 2008 8:08 am

Not much unity in the States I see...
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Postby Maximus the Destroyer on Mon May 12, 2008 8:43 am

SizarieldoR wrote:Not much unity in the States I see...


Not so much that as it is a large system to have to try to "police" and you can do everything in your power to be as careful as you can, but if someone wants something bad enough, they will find a way to get it.
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Postby CrazyCatman on Mon May 12, 2008 8:50 am

It's one thing when they have to search, it is another thing entirely when this happens...

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Postby Goliath on Tue May 13, 2008 9:44 pm

CrazyCatman wrote:It's one thing when they have to search, it is another thing entirely when this happens...

Weapons Bazaar


Not sure if it was the same article, but similar. They mentioned some of the items (bought at Surplus markets) found in a drug bust in California which included, but isn't limited to, computers with classified info, a Patriot missile launcher, and a helicopter (I think it was an Apache but could have been a Cobra)
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Postby SizarieldoR on Wed May 14, 2008 12:39 pm

I read somewhere that the Iran government was giving bad Iraqis new Barrett snipers. Brr, gotta suck being shot at with your own new rifle.

It's a bit like the new Iron Man movie.
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Postby General Forestry on Wed May 14, 2008 6:22 pm

is it just me?? or does it seem like Iran is trying really hard for war?
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Postby Maximus the Destroyer on Thu May 15, 2008 8:39 am

Forestry_manDCNR07 wrote:is it just me?? or does it seem like Iran is trying really hard for war?


I don't think it is just you. It is my personal opinion that if the U.S. pulls out of Iraq, as both Obama and Clinton want to do (Or at least claim they want to do) Iran will double in size basically overnight.
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Postby Hobilar on Thu May 15, 2008 3:25 pm

Maximus the Destroyer wrote:
Forestry_manDCNR07 wrote:is it just me?? or does it seem like Iran is trying really hard for war?


I don't think it is just you. It is my personal opinion that if the U.S. pulls out of Iraq, as both Obama and Clinton want to do (Or at least claim they want to do) Iran will double in size basically overnight.


Unbelieveable.... OK, in theory Iran can put a million men under arms (except that they do not have the logistics to do so.). The Iranian Air Forces's only modern Combat aircraft are about 100 MiG-29 (plus some thirty year old Phantoms and F-5s) and the Iranian Navy has just three submarines and a few elderly Destroyers and Frigates).

In short, unless they can convince a few other Middle Eastern countries to join in (unlikely) they are no threat anyone.
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Postby Luther Sloan on Thu May 15, 2008 5:01 pm

Hobilar wrote:Unbelieveable.... OK, in theory Iran can put a million men under arms (except that they do not have the logistics to do so.). The Iranian Air Forces's only modern Combat aircraft are about 100 MiG-29 (plus some thirty year old Phantoms and F-5s) and the Iranian Navy has just three submarines and a few elderly Destroyers and Frigates).

In short, unless they can convince a few other Middle Eastern countries to join in (unlikely) they are no threat anyone.


They don't need to convince other Middle Eastern countries to join in (besides, then they would have to split the gained land wit them) they just have to convince the Shiite Majority in Iraq that they would be better under the Shiite government of Iran rather than the Sunni government of Iraq. And to think they haven't or can't is just naive.
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Postby SizarieldoR on Fri May 16, 2008 5:03 am

Hobilar's researching abilities amaze me.

Anyway, I agree with Luther. The big problem in the Middle East is the Shia/Sunni division. If it weren't for that, there wouldn't be any Western Civilization as we know it, because the Muslims would be so strong in following the urge for Jihad that they would probably only stop at the Chinese borders.
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Postby Hobilar on Fri May 16, 2008 5:21 am

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Postby Luther Sloan on Fri May 16, 2008 9:50 am

Hobilar wrote:Rule 3. Keep arguments on these forums civil and orderly. No ETHNIC, sexist, or other slurs will be allowed. This forums has less posting restrictions than many others like it but don't take advantage of that by causing a bad situation.


You referring to me or Siz? I didn't see anything I considered an ethnic slur (but then again, I have a fairly thick skin)
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