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after all those years of "red alert", the russian scientists finally decide to go "dual" for their tanks.

behold, the all new russian dual self-propelled gun-howitzer!!!
any idea on how good this new toy is?

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(I don't claim to know what any of the writing says as I don't know Russian, anyone care to translate?)


A few observations from me:

1. That thing is HUGE. The pictures try to hide how long those barrels are. It must be a pain in the rear to move by air, rail, etc. Perhaps the Barrels are removable for transport.

2. The most obvious feature, dual barrels. Obviously a twice as fast firing rate. Always a plus.

3. It looks like it might be an auto-loader. If so that means a MUCH faster firing rate along with something called "variable angle timed impacts". When arty fires it can take up to a minute or longer to reach its target after its fired. With a fast firing rate you can lob your first shot wayyyy up high, your second at a shallower angle, 3rd even shallower, up to 5 or more rounds(in this case 10 due to dual barrel) can be fired by the same gun and impact at the same time for a devastating attack.

4. It appears there is only one operator. Less crew members means less men dead when its hit. Big plus. You have to assume a piece of equipment this important would have a support vehicle, so the operator isn't "alone on the battlefield".

I think its only downside would be fuel requirements,size and weight.



I have seen this artillery system before, and it does in fact look like it was built on the chasis of the 3s19, but the barrel looks different, seems like a twice the power version of the average self propelled artillery.

Doesn't seem like it was photoshopped (though it may very well be since I can't seem to find any real info on it), unfortunately I don't even know what its called so I can't google it to find more on it.

Any assistance would be appreciated.

Looks impressive. But as you say very difficult to locate information on the system. (Unless you understand Russian).

I found a couple of interesting pieces on this system.

First is this page New Artillery

a rough translation can be found here

Another forum has some interesting observations can be found here

Looks pretty cool, but it looks like the barrel has to go back to horizontal to reload, which seems like a waste.

As for the thought it was Photoshopped, I don't think it was.

No, wasn't Photoshopped, I've seen several pics. Still would like a reliable translation. Siz, you fluent in Russian?

Maximus the Destroyer wrote:No, wasn't Photoshopped, I've seen several pics. Still would like a reliable translation. Siz, you fluent in Russian?

WooW, reminds me of a tank from the "C&C Tiberium something" franchise.

Well, translation... I don't know certain engineering vocabulary in either in Russian, or in English, but I'll do whatever I can.
Picture 6 from KT's links doesnt work, as for picture 4 i can tell that:
2. 3. Mechanized missile something
4. Distributing whatsit
5. 6. Window of sth
11+12 and 13+14 are correspondingly the back and the front thingamajig
15. (which I personally fail to spot) is charge something-er
and 16+17 are identical to 2 and 3

Picture 5 what I can grasp:
1. "cradle" literally, but it is obvious what that is
2+3. Top and bottom stem
4+5 = axes for the stems
6. parallel stems
7+8 top and bottom shell "pour-ers"
12+13 left+right anti-recoil device
29. control block for the second whackdoodle
30. reserve whackdoodle
31+32 shells
33+34 caseless modular throwable charges
35+36 mechanism for somethinging out of the dunnowhat

OK, do you want me to translate the whole page?
They have the whole pics which KT posted as a matter of fact.
Well, service is service.

1st pic
http://btvt.narod.ru/3/koalition_sv/transmash.gif
1 chassis
2 armament module
4 main armament 152mm
5 fire control complex
6 "force" "system"
7 mobility section
8 storage/magazine block (hey,боеукладок means something like magazine i didnt know that)
9 working place for the crew members
10 computerized control module (omg)
11 defence screens
12 defence from somekinda mines
13 12,7mm something (machine obviously)
14 complex agregating vitalizingsomething (not clear to me entirely either)

2nd pic
http://btvt.narod.ru/3/koalition_sv/kaolizia.gif
2,3. mechanized shell something
4. separating something
5,6. window of something
7. shell
11, 12. + 13, 14. back and front something
15. charge something-er
16, 17. mechanized charge something
18, 19. window of something
20. module of howsit throwable shell
21-30. ten something-ed transporters of first mechanized 2,3.+16,17.
31-40 ten something-ed transporters of second mechanized 2,3.+16,17.
46=59
50. artillery system
53, 54. axes of the 46
55=65
56, 57 + 61, 62. + 66, 67. hydrorocylinders
58 literally "cradle"
68-74 axes
75-78. "dose device" approximately

3rd pic
http://btvt.narod.ru/3/koalition_sv/sea.gif
no notes here, but it says right under the picture "ship underdeck version", so Rock on!

4th pic
http://btvt.narod.ru/3/koalition_sv/152_2.gif
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5th pic
http://btvt.narod.ru/3/koalition_sv/gun.gif
1. "cradle" literally
2,3. Top and bottom stem
4,5. = axes for the stems
6. parallel stems
7,8. top and bottom shell "pour-ers"
12,13. left+right anti-recoil device
14,15. axes of [something that has to do with] recoil and [sth else]
21,22,23,24. top and bottom hydrocylinders of something - charge "dose device"-s
27,28. top and bottom hydropneumoaccumulators (no, seriously)
29. control block for the second whackdoodle
30. reserve whackdoodle
31,32. shells
33,34. caseless modular throwable charges
35,36. mechanism for somethinging out of the dunnowhat
37,38. lines of something in the "chambers" (i dare speculate) of the top and bottom stems


THE TABLE: 1st column, line by line

country
mass (tonnes)
chassis
calliber (mm)
arsenal |shells
..........|charges
reloading
rate of fire (shots/min)
range/longevity (not sure, Даль is the stem of words that have to do with distance, Дальность no idea really) of fire
regime «"шквал" of fire»
crew
ТЗМ (no idea)
max speed
[something about how far it can go]
*modular somekinda shell
**30km - distance of action when shooting with standart NATO ammunition and >40km - shells with [stuff that improves flight] and decreases turbulence in flight


P.s. we need a (whew) smiley

Translations of the body text.
I'll post it paragraph by paragraph whenever I've finished it.
Concept of the perspective SPG

Conception of prospective SPG.
Prospective Russian self-propelled artillery unit is developed within the framework of project “Coalition-SV”. Chief implementing agency is FGUP TSNII (i.e. Federal State Unitary Enterprise – FSUE, Central Scientific-Research Institute – CSRI)“Burevestnik” (city of Nizhni Novgorod). Co-executors: FGUP "Uraltransmash", FGUP "TsNIIM" (i.e. Central Scientific-Research Institute of Machine-building), FGUP "Uralvagonzavod".
Within the framework of project a number of scientific-research works for determining the optimal level of interagency unification of the prospective artillery armament of large caliber for Ground Forces and Navy have been carried out.
(taken from count1man's second link)

Within the topic a ряд "NIR" was undertaken concerning the definition of the optimal inter-type unification of the perspective artillery armament of large caliber of the ground forces and the navy.
(omg)

In the unification plan remains the task of rational usage in арторудии of the technical decisions, elements, components and systems common to both the navy (ships and coast guard) and the self-propelled artillery cannons of the ground forces.


At the end of 2006 one of the miniature models of the SPAU [self-propelled artillery unit, my abbreviation ~ "САУ"] prepared with the "modification/something" "sth" elements of the serial SPAU 2C19 «Мста-С» was demonstrated on television in the documentary "Service of Russia" (2006-12-03), most probably this is far from the final version.

It's worth mentioning that the concept, embodied in the perspective SPAU "Coalition-SV" finds its beginning as early as the 70's of the 20th century. The first national manifestation of such a machine was the "product 327", main developers of which were FGUP "Uraltransmash", the crew was located in an isolated battle section in the nose part of the body, while in the meantime the battle division with a fully-mechanized something was located in the central part of the body of the modified chassis of a T-72 tank. This ahead-of-its-time development inspired distrust [or something like that] in its constructive development. As a result of this a more simple and worked out/trained concept was picked, realized in the serial SPAU 2C19 «Мста-С», which maintains supremacy over the predominating majority of "зарубежных" SPAU until nowadays

Thanks for the translation Siz