Military Power

This topic had been mentioned in popular media (movies - `Red Dawn`, `Invasion USA`, TV show `Jericho`, PC games `World in Conflict` etc.).

So the question - is there a REAL power/enemy whoif they wanted, could invade USA (Successfully or at least giving the USA a "run for their money" so to speak)?

My vote was No, the reason for the vote is obvious, no power exits today, or in the near future that would be able to "invade" the USA not atleast in the military sence.

I choose the "not right now" option. I think China COULD if it wanted (assuming it built it's navy and other factors were taken into account (ones not mentioned here as I don't want to give any ideas to ANYONE)

USA is already invaded

The invasion started in the 1620s

We've already been invaded. Not in the traditional sense with a large invading army. But terrorist sleeper cells are alive and well (IMHO) in our country. Look what happen on September 9, 2001. I believe there are still many cells here waiting for the opportunity and orders to attack again.

There is another invasion underway but it's more political in nature. The threat of this invasion is more to our economic stability that to a violent threat. And that is the invasion of illegal into th u.S. I won't go into my opinion at this time, just suffice it to say that if not controlled the very economic fabric of our livelihood is at risk.

The U.S. was invaded in WWII. The Japanese actually landed in Alaska

Yes we were already invaded, and I'm a firm believer that there is always a good chance for it happen again.

Luther Sloan wrote:The U.S. was invaded in WWII. The Japanese actually landed in Alaska

Are we talking States only or any U.S. Teritory? Puerto Rico? Palmyra Atoll? United States Virgin Islands? American Samoa? Guam? Northern Mariana Islands? Technically Guantanimo Bay is a U.S. Teritory.

very good point Max...but, I might have to throw the towel in on this one, its getting really deep into thought and my brain only goes up to level 2.

Maximus the Destroyer wrote:Are we talking States only or any U.S. Teritory? Puerto Rico? Palmyra Atoll? United States Virgin Islands? American Samoa? Guam? Northern Mariana Islands? Technically Guantanimo Bay is a U.S. Teritory.

Along the Same Note....

Union/Confederate? Also, are we going to count the American Revolution?

Luther Sloan wrote:

Maximus the Destroyer wrote:Are we talking States only or any U.S. Teritory? Puerto Rico? Palmyra Atoll? United States Virgin Islands? American Samoa? Guam? Northern Mariana Islands? Technically Guantanimo Bay is a U.S. Teritory.

Along the Same Note....

Union/Confederate? Also, are we going to count the American Revolution?

All of the Native American and U.S. wars. We invaded them big time.

Ok, it looks like we have established that the U.S. has been invaded several times. Lets get back to the topic at hand... Is the Invasion of the U.S. a possibility? I think it would be good to set some guidelines...

1) A Military Invasion
2) Lets say the "Already Invaded" option is from the end of WWII
3) the invasion should be the invasion of the Continental U.S. (with the ability to actually hold land).

At this point in time, yes I believe that a powerful army could invade and hold ground in the U.S. if they wanted to. There is plenty of rural areas along the coasts which they could access.

Well... Given the new "rules" I would have to say that a Direct invasion would be very difficult (though not impossible). First, it would have to be a surprise invasion I would think. To get the number of troops and equipment that would be needed would require a massive convoy of ships and or aircraft unless invading from either Canada or Mexico, either of which would attract a massive amount of attention by the U.S. (Ship convoy would attract attention on satellite & Aircraft would show up on radar and draw AA fire). Secondly, I really only see a couple of countries that would even come close to the manpower to be able to as well (China and Russia).

What exactly are the "rules" you're talking about Goliath? I know there are rules of war-fare, however I have never been familiar with them. I always thought that it was weird that war has rules. But anyway, yes, China and Russia are the only two other countries in the world, besides U.S.A., that have great enough man-power to invade a country. How about a small attack to "distract" the U.S.? A small attack being another country's airforce or the launch of a missile (not nuclear), and still managing to get by our defences. Something like that throws the entire country into a panic. 9/11 was a perfect example. The general public went nuts, from what I saw people were extremely paranoid. So setting the environment could lead up to a small invasion, taking and holding ground while the rest come in, and if they do it while the majority of the invaded country's military is overseas, it will make it easier for them. If you were too hold ground along the coast, have a fleet of subs. behind you and holding back the NAVY, it could happen. But then, there is something that the invaders, I have a feeling, would over-look. The general public. We have all of these hunters out there, with significant amount of ammunition and resources to hold off their own ground. And if you get a whole bunch of them together, then shit really starts to happen, and I'm not even talking about the "secret militia society." So, in my opinion, a invasion is definately possible in the United States. How far it would get...I believe the small man, non-military, would be the absolute key to holding off the invasion.

Forestry_manDCNR07 wrote:What exactly are the "rules" you're talking about Goliath?

Probably these...

KnightTemplar wrote:Ok, it looks like we have established that the U.S. has been invaded several times. Lets get back to the topic at hand... Is the Invasion of the U.S. a possibility? I think it would be good to set some guidelines...

1) A Military Invasion
2) Lets say the "Already Invaded" option is from the end of WWII
3) the invasion should be the invasion of the Continental U.S. (with the ability to actually hold land).

Forestry_manDCNR07 wrote:How far it would get...I believe the small man, non-military, would be the absolute key to holding off the invasion.

Sounds a lot like Switzerland

I meant the Rules of War. Or else I misread everything and he was talking about what KT said. My bad.

Forestry_manDCNR07 wrote:I meant the Rules of War. Or else I misread everything and he was talking about what KT said. My bad.

Rules of war???? Terrorists don't fight by "Rules of War", they don't follow the Geneva Convention. If you are asking if China or other "super" power would attempt or be successful in attempting a full scale military invasion (ali D-Day) I doubt it. With today's technology used by the military we would have plenty of warning to thwart any attempted invasions. (Providing liberals and Democrats aren't in control).

But our war now is with terrorist. I believe there are many "sleeper" cells already here in our country. They have been successful in penetrating our borders. I also believe they have plans for another large scale attack such as 9-1-1. We have uncovered many plans already most we don't know about. We don't want them to know the full capabilities of our intelligence gathering.

Forestry_manDCNR07 wrote: We have all of these hunters out there, with significant amount of ammunition and resources to hold off their own ground. And if you get a whole bunch of them together, then shit really starts to happen, and I'm not even talking about the "secret militia society."

Good idea....Get rid of all those expensively trained infantrymen, and replace with a bunch of rabbit hunters (well rabbits don't shoot back very often).

That should save a few million dollars on the Defence Budget.