george babony wrote:Unfortunate it is for those that "hate" multi role aircraft. Lets go back a bit and see if we really do hate them......the list is long (others should join in )
george babony wrote:the P-51, hmm....just a fighter...no....
One of the most effective, famous and beautiful fighter aircraft of WWII, the P-51 was designed to fulfill a British requirement dated April 1940. The UK asked North American Aircraft to design and build a new fighter in only 120 days. The prototype was produced in record time, but did not fly until 26 October 1940. It was found that the 1,100-hp Allison engine was well suited for low-altitude tactical reconnaissance, but the engine's power decreased dramatically above an altitude of 12,000 feet, making it a poor choice for air-to-air combat or interception roles. Because of this, the RAF left its eight machine guns intact, but also fitted the Mustang with cameras. In this configuration, it served in at least 23 RAF squadrons, beginning in April 1942. After the RAF found the aircraft's performance lacking, they tested a new engine, the 12-cylinder Rolls-Royce Merlin. This gave much-improved performance, and led to the USAAF fitting two airframes with 1,430-hp Packard-built Merlin V-1650 engines. Practically overnight, the aircraft's potential began to grow. Since the RAF had had good success with the Mustang in a ground attack role, the USAAF bought 500 aircraft fitted with dive brakes and underwing weapons pylons. These were initially designated the A-36A Apache, but later retained the name Mustang. The reason the P-51 was so able to do different roles was that it was basically 2 different aircraft (the Allison Engine one not being effective as a fighter)
george babony wrote:P-47....no...
Later in the war, Jugs served as escort fighters for B-29 bombers in the Pacific mainly due to the fact that the P-51s were delegated to the European front. Mostly, though, they excelled in the ground-attack role, strafing and bombing their way across the battlefields of Europe. The main reason (from what I can tell) that it was used as a fighter (or escort) was due to lack of a dedicated fighter (escort) for the USAAF in the Pacific Theater.
george babony wrote:FW-190....nope.....
The Fw 190 is widely regarded as Germany's best fighter aircraft of World War II. Its appearance in the skies over France in early 1941 was a rude shock to the Allies, as it was clearly superior to any other plane. For nearly a year, until the debut of the Spitfire IX, the Fw 190 was the unmatched champion of the air war. As the war progressed, the Fw 190 was developed into many variants as a pure fighter, a ground-attack fighter/bomber, and as a close-support aircraft. No fewer than 40 different versions were produced, with different combinations of engines, armament, wings, systems, and roles. Though again, like the P-51, each variant was structurally different and thus not exactly role independent.
george babony wrote:ME-109
All known variants of the Bf 109 (Messerschmitt Bf 109) were fighters of some sort (pressurized fighter, Reconnaissance fighter, long-range fighter, High altitude fighter, Command fighter, ect) except for the "Gustav" or G-series which was used in ground attack role. Modifications included reinforced wing structure, an internal bullet-proof windscreen, the use of heavier, welded framing for the cockpit transparencies, and additional light-alloy armor for the fuel tank and armoring of the radiators. The 7.92 mm MG 17 was also replaced with the 13 mm MG 131 heavy machine guns for greater armor penetration.
george babony wrote:mosquito
The Mosquito was originally designed as a bomber but again, modifications were made to the airframe to allow it to serve other roles. For the Night Fighter Role four 20 mm Hispano cannon in the fuselage belly and four .303 in. Browning machine-guns mounted in the nose were added and it carried Aircraft Interception radar. This led to the development of a versatile fighter-bomber version (the FB VI) which first saw service in early 1943. The Mark VI had a strengthened wing for external loads and along with its standard fighter armament could carry two 250 lb bombs in the rear of the bomb bay and two 250 lb bombs under the wings, or eight wing-mounted rockets. One of the main reasons the Mosquito is as well known as it is today was that they made so many of them, which itself was mainly due to it's wood construction which left strategic metals available for other uses.
george babony wrote:B25 mitchell
The Mitchell was designed as a bomber, and that is what most people know it as, however it was modified for a couple of other purposes. To satisfy the dire need for ground-attack and strafing aircraft, the B-25G was made. The production model featured increased armor, a greater fuel supply than the B-25C and the transparent nose was replaced by a solid one, with two fixed .50-caliber machine guns and a 2.95-inch (75 mm) M4 Cannon, then the largest weapon ever carried on an American bomber. One B-25G was passed to the British, who gave it the name Mitchell II that had been used for the B-25C. Though it was successful in this mission to a degree, other aircraft served the mission better, but were unavailable at the time. A number of B-25s were converted for use as staff and VIP transports. Henry H. Arnold and Dwight D. Eisenhower both used converted B-25Js as their personal transports. As far as turning a bomber into a transport, the requirements for the two (at least on the outside) are not all that different however, the bomb bay is converted into transport facilities, and is thus unusable for bombing missions.
george babony wrote: .....all have served in various roles....so to assume that they didn't excel although being purpose built for a specific task....
the fact that they served those roles doesn't necessarily mean that they excelled in them. That, as you said is a discussion for a different time. As I have pointed out though, all of the examples you gave had extensive modifications so that they could serve the role it was not intended for (most of the time preventing the new variant from performing it's original role). That I don't particularly have problems with as the changes help to counter the shortcomings of it not being the intended role. What I do have problems with is saying that one aircraft will do all these different roles just by changing the armament carried (or in some cases even without doing that). For instance I don't particularly have a problem with the B-22 concept (see attached pic) as it is designed as a bomber (even though it uses a modified fighter airframe).
